Sunday, 19 September 2010

Ditching the Bathroom Chemicals - Update

Since I posted about this last month, I've made some changes and discoveries, so here is an update.

First and foremost, I am still 'with the program'.

My medicine cabinet still contains just a handful of items, none of which have lists of ingredients I don't understand.

I don't smell or look a mess; and I continue to gain satisfaction from knowing I am dodging another of modern life's bullets.


The Miswak Toothbrush

I am now mostly using Miswak (also known as Peelu), after it was mentioned by a number of commenters. This is the traditional method of cleaning teeth used in parts of Asia and the Middle East. The process, is as follows:

1. Take a piece of miswak and remove the bark.
2. Chew the remaining stick until it's soft and brush-like
3. Use it to brush your teeth
4. When you are done, clean it and store hygienically
5. When needed, snip off the old brush part with scissors and repeat the process
6. When the stick is too small, start a fresh one

I first bought some very rough 'red miswak' (aka Dandasa) from a local Asian store, but it was quite difficult to use.



As you can see from the photos, the red miswak is not always uniform. I've imagined this is used by older guys who've been doing this for years, and are expert. Perhaps when they were young this was all you could get. Perhaps they have also grown accustomed to the quite bitter taste.

I then found some miswak sticks online that seemed more specially geared for the purpose of teeth cleaning. These are much easier to use.



Miswak leaves your teeth feeling clean. The packed sticks taste different, less bitter; but I am undecided as to whether, and if so, how, they have been treated. Could there be nasty ingredients involved? I don't know. I chose 'natural' flavour, but they were also available in peppermint.

For now I am enjoying this. I tend to do it in front of the television when I am relaxing rather than in the bathroom. Every now and again I brush with my electric toothbrush using water or sodium bicarbonate, as described in the first post. This is usually when I am in a rush.

Vodka as Mouthwash

In the last post, James commented that I should try vodka and cinnamon as a mouthwash. Some mouthwash has alcohol as an ingredient, so this would make sense.

I don't normally use mouthwash, but in the interest of science, and since we have a bottle in the house, I tried it. Unfortunately, I had no cinnamon.

Yowser. This was not a pleasant experience. My mouth did not feel refreshed, but violated. It's difficult to imagine how some cinnamon could mitigate all of that. However, a load of additives like sorbitol could perhaps sweeten the pill, which is, I guess, what they do with the stuff you buy.

I will continue to pass on the mouthwash for now.

Upgrading to Dr Bronner's Soap

In the first post Bob Garon commented that the olive oil soap I was using might contain aluminium, under the ingredients item 'mineral salts'.

Why is aluminium bad? This (more or less randomly selected) article summarises the supposed dangers. Ideally, I would seek evidence and studies; but since I lack the time, and since there is an alternative that does not inconvenience me, I am happy to exercise avoidance.



Thus, I bought some Dr Bronner soap, which had been mentioned by a few people. The ingredients were more numerous, but none are as vague as 'mineral salts.' Just oils, citric acid, vitamin E and salt. It's not cheap, but the bar is twice the size of the olive oil soap, and it smells nicer, which makes getting buy-in from Mrs M easier!

Aluminium-Free Sodium Bicarbonate

There was also some debate in the comments of the first post about whether sodium bicarbonate contains aluminium.

Yes, according to Bob. No, according to Mudbeard, who was able to supply the molecular definition to illustrate his point. Anya pointed out that aluminium is added to baking powder. Mudbeard then explained that baking powder can be a mixture of things, and is not the same as sodium bicarbonate.



Interestingly, you can buy 'aluminium-free' bicarbonate of soda. Is this a marketing gimmick? Surely bicarbonate of soda is, by definition, aluminium-free because as Mudbeard says, it describes a single-molecule substance.

Either way, since you can buy a kilo of the aluminium-free bicarbonate of soda for a few pounds (less than $5) and this will last me for months, I care not. So I bought some.

Deodorant Itchiness

Naturally, I am now using the aluminium-free sodium bicarbonate.

The article I mentioned in the first post talked about itching from using sodium bicarbonate under the arms. The author added corn starch to make it less abrasive.

I must admit, I have since noticed a little irritation myself, but only mild. I think it depends on how you apply it. I have been trying to get the job done with one or two 'pats', rather than trying to force it into every nook and cranny under my arm. So far the effectiveness does not seem to have been affected this.

Coconut Oil vs. Almond Oil as Moisturiser

I am still using almond oil, but did try coconut oil a few times, as recommended by a few commenters on the first post. It was also good - and indeed slightly less greasy, as people said it would be.

I may make the switch at some point. Coconut oil might also be easier to use, since at room temperature, most of the time in the UK, it is butter-like. Almond oil is always a runny liquid and it's easy to over-dispense and end up using toilet tissue to de-grease.

Shampoo and Conditioner - Frequency Adjustment

I am still using the bicarbs and vinegar solutions, but less frequently than before - I have realised I only need to occasionally clean off the dirt that washing with water cannot remove.

I think this dirt builds up more slowly than the oiliness regular shampoo users irritate their hair into producing.

Dream_Puppy asked in the comments of the first post whether I knew any 'chicks' who use this approach and I suggested Mrs M, who has long-ish hair, was threatening to give it a whirl. So far, she has not.

See also:

How I Ditched the Chemicals in my Bathroom Cabinet

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Valda Redfern · 758 weeks ago

I stopped using soap and shampoo in January this year. No-shampoo was hard going at first, because sodium bicarb was too harsh for me, but my fine, blond hair shows excess grease very easily. After a couple of months, however, it seemed to normalise and I'll never go back to using shampoo.

Ditching soap was an instant success. I actually seem to be cleaner without soap than with it.

I'm among those who find bicarb by itself an irritant. What works for me is mixing it with coconut oil (as much as I can stir into some melted oil). I need only a tiny pinch of the solidified mixture each day.

I use a mixture of coconut oil with a little olive oil for my skin - the olive oil is just to make it easier to apply, as coconut oil alone is usually rock hard in our house. Maybe I'll try almond oil instead of olive oil for the next batch.
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Mixing bicarbs with coconut oil is a great idea (I assume this is for deodorant), as is mixing the oils for moisturiser. I will give this a try.
My miswak sticks look like those in your 2. picture and funny, I also don't use them in the bathroom but while reading on my laptop. For me they taste a bit like a mixture between radish and horseradish.

My Aleppo olive oil soap contains solely olive oil, lautel oil, water and soda.
1 reply · active 758 weeks ago
I am tempted to try the peppermint - I kind of miss that minty fresh feeling from toothpaste. I'll look out for the Aleppo brand. Not seen it in the UK.
Whoa, I've never seen miswak like those in the first set of pictures. Maybe that's the stuff they get from the branches rather than the roots.

Haha the mouthwash thing isn't something I've ever done often.. it is kind of a waste of both ingredients which are much better when you just consume them. I've done it a couple times, like before work if I don't have time to brush, or before going on a date. 90% of the time I feel very clean when I just wash & gargle with some warm water mixed with baking soda, and then a miswak brushing session. But that takes time and sometimes I get lazy.
1 reply · active 758 weeks ago
James - I guess it was you who suggested the vodka! Not a good solution for people with alcoholism tendencies, I fear! I must try the baking soda solution gargling. It sounds promising.
For data purposes, I feel the need to say that coconut oil as a moisturizer made me break out with a vengeance. Almond oil works much better, and I particularly like it in the winter. Right now, I've mostly just been washing with a damp washcloth, and maybe using some witch hazel toner if I feel like it.

I did go for a month where my only personal care products were Dr. Bronner's unscented bar soap, apple cider vinegar, and almond oil, but the soap/vinegar combo is too drying to my hair (and don't even get me started on what baking soda did to it). Ladies with dyed hair should also be careful of soap/baking soda hair care, as it will strip dye from your hair.

If you like olive oil soap, Kiss My Face olive oil soaps have just olive oil, sodium chloride, and whatever they use to scent it (there's lavender and aloe and chamomile). My husband was using the chamomile one, but now he uses the aloe one.
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Jenn - thanks for sharing that info. I will get Mrs M to read this, because colours her hair and is thinking of trying baking soda.
A few months ago there was an article in the local paper about switching from shampoo & conditioner to a more natural way. Bicarb & vinegar was also the method of cleaning and the article sited commentary from several devotees, all women. They had varying lengths of hair and all said that after a couple of months their hair normalised and they no longer had a desire to use commercial products. I fancy that this is for the more natural woman rather than the dolled up version though. I myself am debating on switching to natural cleansers, so I have been reading with great interest.

I myself tried the paleo way of eating, but at the time, found it a bit difficult of a switch. I hope to slowly move in that direction. Your blog is a great source of information, thank you very much for it.
1 reply · active 758 weeks ago
Thanks - glad you are finding the blog useful. In many cases it's the comments that make the posts valuable because people bring so much extra info.
I also stopped using the alum deodorant and started with sodium bicarbonate. I should have done this earlier. It workes perfectly.

I will try to make my own soap as an experiment from (pastured mangalitsa) pork fat in the near future.
Already found some good and simple recipes.
In theory that will make an awesome soap. In theory. And at least I will know what goes into it... :)
3 replies · active 754 weeks ago
Come back and post about that - sounds like a fun project.
Well, after rendering lard from the pastured mangalitsa pork fat I decoded not to go for the soap option. The Lard is just too good not to eat... Never had any pork like that before.
Maybe another time (and another pig) ;)
Mudbeard - I like your style. I agree that lard can scarcely be beaten, something that's fresh in my mind having nailed a couple of very fatty pork ribs last night!
Interesting follow-up. I had gone shampoo, soap and deodorant free since New Year's Eve 2009. However, I wasn't 100% happy, and when I read your post, tried some of your items. I liked the baking soda/ACV hair wash system, although only use the ACV every few days. The Olive Oil soap is ok, although it doesn't smell particularly pleasant, so I may try Dr Bronner's. Not a fan of baking soda for deodorant and I have been using Tropical Traditions deodorants (based on coconut oil) which I quite like, but don't have a particularly powerful smell and are quite feminine (according to my wife - she used stronger language best kept away from this blog...). Still not found a great answer to deodorant, but will keep looking. Thanks for adding new life to this discussion.
CT- I am also decreasing the frequency of bicarbs and vinegar washing. I have fine hair so it makes it a bit fly away, and it seems to look and feel clean for at least 3 days afterwards.
Wow, this is really good information. Even in the alternative health and wellness community, there isn't enough information on this. Organic and natural does come up, but from a market watch. Most are botanical products that you can get from a natual/organic personal care market place.

This information clears the way to try different approaches yourself. What is needed is self direction, not a revolution in nutracosmetic ingredients that can be quite expensive.
For Dream_Puppy, I'm a "chick" with long, fairly thick hair and have been using the baking soda/ACV hair washing method for over a year. Rather than rehash, check out my answer (and others) here: http://paleohacks.com/questions/593/any-women-tri...

Seriously, no one believes me when I tell them that I don't use shampoo or conditioner. On other fronts I've had less luck. Coconut Oil definitely made me break out more, but maybe I was using too much?
I have been shampoo and soap free for a year now. Feeling cleaner than before and my wife agrees.
I just apply EVOO sometimes (depending on dryness, required here in Canada, not so much in India) liberally, before taking a bath. Then wipe dry with a towel. I feel quite clean all day long. I don't sweat as much as I used to. I also don't feel as much thirsty as before.
1 reply · active 753 weeks ago
Anand, I love the idea of evoo - reminds me of the Roman practice of getting oiled up then using a 'strigil' to remove it. Probably not the cheapest approach (depending on how liberal you are) but I may have to give it a try at least once!
I just ran into this:
"Sodium bicarbonate supplementation prevents skilled tennis performance decline after a simulated match" http://www.jissn.com/content/pdf/1550-2783-7-33.p... (full paper)

After applying the baking soda to the armpits, licking excess from the hands (or armpits) would be advisable if you plan to play some tennis later that day...
Wow. I'm not a tennis player, but given my deoderant choice it would seem sensible to take up the sport immediately :-)

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