
When someone takes the time to reply, however absurd their rationale, I feel obliged to engage on a civilised level. Marks and Spencer particularly distinguished themselves by being willing to continue a debate about the sugar in their pre-cooked chicken (Why is there Sugar in my Chicken?) and Julian Graves briefly and clumsily corresponded about their sale of sugar-laden products (Julian Graves Responds to 'Sugar Pushers' Post.) Both deserve at least some credit for that.
So I must take my hat off to Tropical sun for yesterday's reply to my open letter a few weeks back (Dear Tropical Sun - "Why is there Crap in My Coconut Milk?"), complaining about the sudden appearance of sundry additives in their coconut milk.
A reminder of what I said:
Dear Tropical Sun,
I have been a big fan of your coconut milk for a long time now, and was dismayed when your ingredients changed from being pure, to being decidedly impure.
I eat coconut milk precisely because it does not contain things like starchy carbohydrate, so the idea that you have adulterated the product with corn starch seems like madness. Was it commercial pressures that led to your decision, or a genuine (albeit in my view, misguided) desire to create a better product for the consumer?
Perhaps I am in the minority in caring about these subtleties, but in a world where awareness of additives and a desire to eat real food is growing at a fast pace, your decision appears to be a retrograde step. My blog readers and I will be interested to read your response.
Regards,
Methuselah
I have been a big fan of your coconut milk for a long time now, and was dismayed when your ingredients changed from being pure, to being decidedly impure.
I eat coconut milk precisely because it does not contain things like starchy carbohydrate, so the idea that you have adulterated the product with corn starch seems like madness. Was it commercial pressures that led to your decision, or a genuine (albeit in my view, misguided) desire to create a better product for the consumer?
Perhaps I am in the minority in caring about these subtleties, but in a world where awareness of additives and a desire to eat real food is growing at a fast pace, your decision appears to be a retrograde step. My blog readers and I will be interested to read your response.
Regards,
Methuselah
Here was their reply, yesterday:
Thank you for your feedback on our Coconut Milk. We take all comments about our products seriously and would like to reassure you that the content in our Coconut Milk has not changed.
The demand for the product in the last few years has increased globally, shipment times have increased so it has now been necessary to add regulators / stabilisers to keep the quality of the content consistent wherever it is sold in the world. Contrary to what you have suggested, these have not been added to alter the taste in any way nor is it for profit reasons. Also the ingredient list on the can was updated also due to regulatory requirement.
We at Tropical Sun value our customer feedback and hope that you are satisfied with this response and will continue to use our products.
For further information about Tropical Sun, please visit our website at www.tropicalsunfoods.com
Regards
Kev, Customer Services
The demand for the product in the last few years has increased globally, shipment times have increased so it has now been necessary to add regulators / stabilisers to keep the quality of the content consistent wherever it is sold in the world. Contrary to what you have suggested, these have not been added to alter the taste in any way nor is it for profit reasons. Also the ingredient list on the can was updated also due to regulatory requirement.
We at Tropical Sun value our customer feedback and hope that you are satisfied with this response and will continue to use our products.
For further information about Tropical Sun, please visit our website at www.tropicalsunfoods.com
Regards
Kev, Customer Services
I won't insult your intelligence by pointing out the manifestly contradictory statements in this reply. Instead, I will skip straight to my response, which I will also email to Kev, along with a link to this post.
Dear Kev,
Many thanks for your reply. You would be surprised how many companies lack the courtesy to respond.
I have a few additional questions, which I hope you will be able to answer.
In the first paragraph, you reassure me that "the content in our Coconut Milk has not changed" - yet in the following paragraph confirm that "it has now been necessary to add regulators / stabilisers." You can imagine how that might be confusing.
Later in the same paragraph, you say "the ingredient list on the can was updated also due to regulatory requirement." This also suggests a change.
The burning questions are:
1. When did you start adding the regulators and stabilisers?
2. When did you change the label?
In other words, how long was I using your coconut milk, thinking it did not contain any additives?
I would also like to pick up the point about corn starch:
3. Is the corn starch added to improve the taste/texture - or is it related to global shipment demands?
Finally:
4. Why do other manufacturers like Dunn's River not require the same additives?
I hope you will continue to correspond on this matter.
Sincerely,
Methuselah.
Many thanks for your reply. You would be surprised how many companies lack the courtesy to respond.
I have a few additional questions, which I hope you will be able to answer.
In the first paragraph, you reassure me that "the content in our Coconut Milk has not changed" - yet in the following paragraph confirm that "it has now been necessary to add regulators / stabilisers." You can imagine how that might be confusing.
Later in the same paragraph, you say "the ingredient list on the can was updated also due to regulatory requirement." This also suggests a change.
The burning questions are:
1. When did you start adding the regulators and stabilisers?
2. When did you change the label?
In other words, how long was I using your coconut milk, thinking it did not contain any additives?
I would also like to pick up the point about corn starch:
3. Is the corn starch added to improve the taste/texture - or is it related to global shipment demands?
Finally:
4. Why do other manufacturers like Dunn's River not require the same additives?
I hope you will continue to correspond on this matter.
Sincerely,
Methuselah.
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It's important companies understand the strength of feeling around issues like this. I think they just assume I am some crackpot, with entirely unrepresentative views.
So if you agree with me, please drop a comment, however small, onto the post. I will wait a couple of days before emailing Kev at Tropical Sun so that (I hope) we have a 'comment petition' to reinforce that there plenty of people who are concerned about this issue.
This will also serve another purpose: I have just installed a new comment system, which I hope will make it easier to comment - let me know how that works for you.
See Also:
Dear Tropical Sun - "Why is there Crap in My Coconut Milk?"
Tropical Sun Replies - "Our Additives are Okay"
After Much Searching... the Perfect Coconut Cream
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Gill · 760 weeks ago
Dan · 760 weeks ago
Henry @ NuttyKitchen · 760 weeks ago
Aroy-D 100% Coconut Milk: https://www.philamfood.com/AROY-D-COCONUT-MILK-8....
Aroy-D 100% Coconut Cream: https://www.philamfood.com/AROY-D-COCONUT-CREAM-3...
You may be able to find elsewhere online but this store had the best price I could find. Not only do these not have any additives they are also NOT canned. The taste, texture, quality is EXCELLENT! I highly recommend them!! Sorry I just cleaned out their stock. I might have to call and see if I can get a bulk discount.... If anyone does please let me know. I hope you get to enjoy this!
Methuselah 44p · 760 weeks ago
Sami · 760 weeks ago
I need to stop being so lazy and find some ethnic stores, I'm sure I can find some quality coconut milk there. There is also the possibility of making your own coconut milk but this will obviously be more time consuming.
I will be in London for most of October, if anyone knows where to get the Aroy-D there, that would be very helpful.
mtnchang 2p · 760 weeks ago
Bri · 760 weeks ago
I do agree that the representative could have been more more clear about what he/she was trying to say, but I think I understand what there saying contrary to your tentative reply. Its obvious that awhile back, they added stabilizers to increase the shelf life of the product, its unclear when. However, they made it clear that they had these stabilizers without listing it in the ingredients so it is not in contradiction with their statement that "content in our Coconut Milk has not changed.". Meaning that when they added the stabilizers to the ingredient list it had already contained them.
I would clarify on when they added them in and just to verify what I just stated.
Methuselah 44p · 760 weeks ago
I guess the confusing part derives from the use of the phrase "it has now been necessary" - this suggests that in the recent past they have made a change, regardless of whether they reported that change on the label. I think he is referring to my previous post, in which I suggest that Mrs M and I noticed a difference in the taste and texture when the labelling changed a month or two ago. Perhaps he is saying that there has not been a recent change.
M.
Edward · 760 weeks ago
I’m following this back and forth over the coconut milk with great interest, as I did the Marks and Sparks’ sugared chicken thing. I suspect that there are a great many more people who are concerned by the issues of additives and accurate labeling than can be bothered (or who have the time) to write to the companies concerned, so please keep up the good work on all our behalf… I do feel obliged to make my voice heard on this one, though – let this be my contribution to the Comment Petition!
gino · 760 weeks ago
But I would rather spend more money on something that I know is 100% pure than less for food with odd additives. The problem is we are becoming more and more a society that prefers buying cheap rather than quality products, could this be the reason companies need to "prepare" their products for enoug income?
primalkiwi 1p · 760 weeks ago
100% natural (and organic) please!
Kikilula · 760 weeks ago
Can I trust the label, that there is realy nothing else in the can?
Because of my allergies some additives could make my sick...
darius · 760 weeks ago
Joe Matasic · 760 weeks ago
Joanne · 760 weeks ago
Mudbeard · 760 weeks ago
Methuselah 44p · 760 weeks ago
Bob Garon · 760 weeks ago
That's my concern... that they choose to directly harm their customers by causing weight gain, allergies due to the grain inulin fiber, skin issues, diabetes due to the grain insulin spike, and the list goes on.
jgirl · 758 weeks ago
Juan · 760 weeks ago
Methuselah 44p · 760 weeks ago
Laura · 760 weeks ago
percheron · 760 weeks ago
Having stated the above, the trend is toward paying more for quality food. I hope that the trend starts to impact producers so that perhaps they afford localized plants that minimize the ship time and shelf life of the foods they produce.
Keep up the great work of confronting this issue.
cefiroluxury 22p · 760 weeks ago
ischnura 1p · 760 weeks ago
Do you have the PDF still available?
Take care!
Asclepius · 760 weeks ago
CT · 760 weeks ago
Fredo · 760 weeks ago
It is important to show companies, that there are people who CARE about things and it is important to tell them
if something is wrong!
It is like in a restaurant: if the meals was not satisfying, but one does not dare to tell this to the waiter after he
asked if everything was fine, they will never have the chance to improve or change something..
I guess Kev has also not realised this completely, otherwise he would have made himself more thoughts
about his answer.
Nevertheless, nice that the company responded anyway!
And: very nice blog! keep on!
Methuselah 44p · 760 weeks ago
Hans Keer · 760 weeks ago
Erin · 760 weeks ago
I guess the question remains, what portion of the population buys the most coconut milk? If it is people who do not read ingredients and prefer consistency over additives, we are in trouble. But if the majority of folks buying coconut milk are conscious eaters, then the companies will have to respond correctly. So we just need to convert more folks to Paleo me thinks :).
TomMask · 760 weeks ago
TPSW-Dianne · 760 weeks ago
Ammi · 760 weeks ago
I understand that companies think people want their purchases to look like they were picked/made earlier that day, even when it has clearly come thousands of miles, and that to not add things to preserve it in that condition would reduce sales. But lots of us don't care if our food changes colour a bit or separates etc as long as it is still the original product without rubbish. We also have purchasing power. Does that first group even exist or has it been created by companies leading people to think it is possible to have products like that by adding rubbish and using misguiding labels.
I've linked this on my blog's Twitter account and will get something up for one of my posts next week to raise awareness further (though there's a chance that'll be after you send your response).
Methuselah 44p · 760 weeks ago
Josh · 760 weeks ago
Simon · 759 weeks ago
Kevin Costello · 758 weeks ago
http://www.philamfood.com/LUCIA-FROZEN-COCONUT-MI... http://www.philamfood.com/CHAOKOH-COCONUT-MILK-PO...
I’m told that you can get bags of frozen milk at the Asian markets and that most are unadulterated.
Methuselah 44p · 758 weeks ago
Kevin · 758 weeks ago
FYI: Here is the label from my Aroy-D cans - Ingredients: Coconut Milk 55%, Water, Potassium Metabiisulphite As Preservative. Allergy Advice: Contains Suophur Dioxide http://bit.ly/cbmyM2 - So I guess the preservative free 100% coconut stuff is only in the tetra boxes.
Methuselah 44p · 758 weeks ago
laubot 4p · 758 weeks ago
http://www.thai-food-online.co.uk/products/canned...
Methuselah 44p · 758 weeks ago
Blakery · 750 weeks ago
Marcy · 749 weeks ago
INGREDIENTS: Certified Organic Coconut Milk (Organic Coconut, Water, GuarGum).
Their ad copy implies that the guar gum is a completely natural additive:
In a fertile coastal valley, devoted Thailand farmers have achieved organiccertification of their traditional coconut crop. Organic coconuts aregenerally smaller than their conventional counterparts, but the organicallymanaged trees are more drought-resistant, and their soil is more rich andmoisture retentive. We press the meat of these fresh, organic coconuts,yielding an oil-rich extract that is mixed only with filtered water anda tiny amount (less than 1%) of guar gum from the seeds of the guar plant.A staple of Thai and many Asian cuisines, coconut milk lends rich andcreamy goodness to classic regional dishes. Perfect in soups, curries,sauces, desserts, and beverages, Native Forest Organic Coconut Milk maybe the most delicious coconut milk you have ever tasted.