tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6715049094354778809.post6711419121148835578..comments2023-06-04T16:25:16.708+01:00Comments on Pay Now Live Later: Getting Started: A Brief Guide to Paleo / Primal LivingMethuselahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09134860337125242027noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6715049094354778809.post-77993335296934052412011-03-20T13:25:56.064+00:002011-03-20T13:25:56.064+00:00Kenyatta - feel free to use the content on your bl...Kenyatta - feel free to use the content on your blog.Methuselahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09134860337125242027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6715049094354778809.post-4758853733585040602011-03-19T15:36:38.514+00:002011-03-19T15:36:38.514+00:00Wow! Thank you! I always wanted to write in my sit...Wow! Thank you! I always wanted to write in my site something like that. Can I take part of your post to my blog?Kenyatta Mayerhttp://jreneesandals.co.ccnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6715049094354778809.post-3152599512825848402010-08-23T18:12:47.579+01:002010-08-23T18:12:47.579+01:00Hello Steve,
I thought I would reply to your comm...Hello Steve,<br /><br />I thought I would reply to your comment here rather than in the email you sent with the same message - hope this is okay.<br /><br />Thanks for your thoughts - debate is always welcome.<br /><br />To address your question about evolution, I think it's best to refer you to the work of Loren Cordain. He says there have been 333 generations since the Neolithic revolution (farming), as compared to 76,667 since the advent of the Homo genus - which means about 0.4% of the time. Yes, there will have been some changes in 333 generations, but natural selection, amazing thought it is, simply could not have happened quickly enough. But you don't need to prove this theoretically - there is plenty of evidence when you examine the effect eating the foods of farming is having on the people who have not been lucky enough to be among the small percentage of people whose genes have responded to the change. If we had fully adapted, we would not be getting sick from these foods.<br /><br />Your point about sunshine is fair. In the video I imply that our ancestors spent all their time in the sun - which was an exaggeration for simplicity's sake... nevertheless, there is a big difference between the average day of modern man and the average day of ancestral man, whether forest, cave or savanna dweller. They spent more time outside and they probably wore less. This means less vitamin D, on average, so we need to do something about it.<br /><br />Finally sleep - yes, very important. I have been meaning to do a post about that for ages, but what with one thing or another, not got round to it yet. When I do, I will augment the guide also. I guess if I got a bit more sleep I would get more things like that accomplished!<br /><br />I would suggest reading some of Mark Sisson's stuff on Mark's Daily Apple and also signing up for Loren Cordain's newsletter on the Paleo Diet site - you seem to have a curious mind and these guys really do know their stuff. I'll forward the edition of Cordain's newsletter that contains the evolution information.<br /><br />All the best,<br />M.Methuselahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09134860337125242027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6715049094354778809.post-69340521702405372072010-08-23T17:25:13.835+01:002010-08-23T17:25:13.835+01:00Dear pay now live later, I’ve recently been introd...Dear pay now live later, I’ve recently been introduced to your blog, (which is great by the way) and paleo living. Firstly I’d like to say two things.<br /> First, I am a lay person, and do not claim to know the scientific specifics of human biology, or evolution. (Although I did do all the sciences at A level, and environmental science at university, so I have some idea.) <br />Second, that on the whole I agree with your message, and blog, so please do not take the next few lines as criticism, but more investigatory questioning that could help me apply the paleo concept to my own life style.<br />I read the idea that we have spent 2 million years as tribal/hunter gatherers, and yet only 10,000 years as farmers. And for that reason our bodies are most adapted to the lifestyle of the hunter garter, and most healthy in this form of living. E.g.<br />Generally active, being outside, catching/gathering what you eat, barefooted etc etc<br />This is something I agree with. However... (and there’s always a however)<br />I believe the idea ignores the 10,000 years farming. As if this were such a small amount of time compared to the 2 million years we spent as hunter gathers its worth discounting. When we look at the evolutionary history of humans, we spent the majority of our evolutionary history as bacteria (as did every other species) My point is ‘time’ is not always a good indicator of how adapted a species is to a certain environment. High environmental pressures cause natural selection to increase the speed at which it works. <br />Converting from hunter gathers to farmers must have caused massive environmental and behavioural changes to the human species, and therefore a whole host of new selective pressures. (Again I’m not claiming to know many specifics here) but I know that we are adapted to drink alcohol (to a degree) and milk (to a degree) also we have a whole host of variant immunity to diseases, that even existing tribal communities do not have. <br />It is likely that those humans not possessing certain adaptive traits for a farming sustenance when leaving the hunter gather lifestyle behind, died, and those that did possess certain traits compatible with farming lived to pass on their DNA.<br />Getting to my point, I think that although we spent more time as hunter gathers than farmers, and many of those traits that made us successful hunter gathers still exist, I would propose we are now more adapted to a farming lifestyle than hunter gather lifestyle.<br />I also read some of your post on sunshine. It’s worth remembering that for most of human existence the world has been highly forested, the UK was 99% woodland until relatively recently, so although we might have spent the majority of time outside, it would have been in shaded areas not direct sunlight. (This is not true for all places; the savannah is an obvious example)<br />Sleep is something which I think your blog does not cover. According to some journal I read at some time (again no specifics sorry). All humans have an internal clock, which is not all the same. The purpose that in any community, tribe, or hunter gather band, there would always be someone awake to warn others of danger etc, which seems to make sense! So those of us which are not suited to a 9-5 job come off much worse, at work, and health-wise. I don’t know how we would get over this, but I guess it’s worth considering. <br />I would welcome your views on my email. Just take it easy if you’re really going to crush my ideas!!<br />RegardsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6715049094354778809.post-65704885583864892912009-09-28T13:48:26.799+01:002009-09-28T13:48:26.799+01:00Oops - link number 5 should be:
5) http://www.voe...Oops - link number 5 should be:<br /><br />5) <a href="http://www.voedingscentrum.nl/voedingscentrum/Public/Dynamisch/voedselveiligheid/natuurlijke+gifstoffen/in+planten/peulvruchten+en+bonen.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.voedingscentrum.nl/voedingscentrum/Public/Dynamisch/voedselveiligheid/natuurlijke+gifstoffen/in+planten/peulvruchten+en+bonen.htm</a>Methuselahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09134860337125242027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6715049094354778809.post-54653476681718246432009-09-28T13:44:57.501+01:002009-09-28T13:44:57.501+01:00Beastie Girl,
I think my Dutch friend has contact...Beastie Girl,<br /><br />I think my Dutch friend has contacted you directly with some information, but in case anyone else is following this thread and interested in Dutch resources on Paleo, here is the information he sent:<br /><br />There's decent, but somewhat messy information on these two pages:<br /><br /><a href="http://users.telenet.be/multiple.sclerose/ROGER1.html" rel="nofollow">http://users.telenet.be/multiple.sclerose/ROGER1.html</a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.ontmoeting.de/?download=Het%20stone%20Age%20Diet.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.ontmoeting.de/?download=Het%20stone%20Age%20Diet.htm</a><br /><br /><br />I also came across these links:<br /><br />1.) <a href="http://objectief.be/Het-Stenen-Tijdperk-dieet.html" rel="nofollow">http://objectief.be/Het-Stenen-Tijdperk-dieet.html</a><br /><br />5.) <a href="http://www.voedingscentrum.nl/voedingscent...en+en+bonen.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.voedingscentrum.nl/voedingscent...en+en+bonen.htm</a><br />6.) <a href="http://www.ergogenics.org/paleolitisch.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ergogenics.org/paleolitisch.html</a><br />7.) <a href="http://www.ergogenics.org/voeding43.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ergogenics.org/voeding43.html</a><br />8.) <a href="http://www.innerned.org/verzuring.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.innerned.org/verzuring.html</a>Methuselahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09134860337125242027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6715049094354778809.post-63625054587474998022009-09-16T06:45:29.985+01:002009-09-16T06:45:29.985+01:00Thanks DR.Thanks DR.Methuselahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09134860337125242027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6715049094354778809.post-50064580735253490802009-09-15T15:50:46.415+01:002009-09-15T15:50:46.415+01:00Great intro to Paleo/Primal
I tweeted(hate that t...Great intro to Paleo/Primal<br /><br />I tweeted(hate that term) about your postDRhttp://healthhabits.wordpress.com/2008/05/10/news-flash-caveman-diet-goodyour-diet-bad/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6715049094354778809.post-15155384823637783752009-09-07T06:44:55.380+01:002009-09-07T06:44:55.380+01:00No worries on the link back, I've added your s...No worries on the link back, I've added your site to my blog roll anyway. thanks for the note back!Dai "Moose" Manuelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12605044621653334385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6715049094354778809.post-46676931917004227332009-09-07T06:39:47.738+01:002009-09-07T06:39:47.738+01:00Hi Moose - I don't put links in my small blogr...Hi Moose - I don't put links in my small blogroll unless I regularly visit sites, I'm familiar with their content and they relate to the theme of the blog... but since you are a fellow Paleo eater I'll leave your comment on this post and hopefully you'll get a little traffic that way!Methuselahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09134860337125242027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6715049094354778809.post-36297394283548298922009-09-04T22:05:36.048+01:002009-09-04T22:05:36.048+01:00Absolutely great blog! Love it all. I've bee...Absolutely great blog! Love it all. I've been following the Paleo diet for about 2 months and feel great.<br /><br />Would you be interested in exchanging blog roll links? My blog is http://blog.fitnesstown.ca/<br /><br />Let me know.<br /><br />Thanks!Dai "Moose" Manuelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12605044621653334385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6715049094354778809.post-62666902803866746662009-09-03T13:24:14.670+01:002009-09-03T13:24:14.670+01:00Hi Cynthia - thanks for the link. I will take a lo...Hi Cynthia - thanks for the link. I will take a look. It's a pain that with blogger you have to enclose links with HTML to make them active. E.g. &lta href='http://linkaddress'>link text</a><br /><br />I think with heart rate it's about being at 55-75% of max heart rate as defined by age. I think for men it's 200 minus your age.<br /><br />I guess the central point is that frequent and long activity above 75% of the max heart rate (for me this is 120, which I can achieve with jogging or very brisk walking) has as many or more adverse affects as it does good effects. But it sounds like your patterns of activity are good in that respect....Methuselahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09134860337125242027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6715049094354778809.post-76096793648803033652009-09-03T10:38:15.883+01:002009-09-03T10:38:15.883+01:00Sorry the link didn't come through. go to eri...Sorry the link didn't come through. go to ericcressey.com, click on "articles" and then on "cardio confusion." It's a good read.Drs. Cynthia and Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16081685734249334402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6715049094354778809.post-88045324713156039132009-09-02T07:51:11.760+01:002009-09-02T07:51:11.760+01:00Thanks Methuselah and Mark. Maybe part of the unc...Thanks Methuselah and Mark. Maybe part of the uncertainty is understanding the HR thing. Do you measure the percent relative to (resting - max HR), or absolute numbers? (This alone would make for a worthwhile blog post). Still, 55% max HR, depending on how you measure it, is not very hard exercise. A very easy jog that requires very little breathing is still a HR of ~125 for me, recent marathon pace was 145, climbing (walking) a steep hill is 145, a level walk is HR of 90. At resting HR (sitting here) of ~55 and max HR of ~175, almost any exercise gets me into the 55-75% zone. When my body permits it, I exercise in that zone for an hour or more every day, though shorter is fun too. I don't think it requires that much carbs to fuel either - but maybe I would be faster if I ate more carbs? I don't really care. I do wish the running community was more enlightened about nutrition though. Hopefully your messages will sink in eventually.<br /><br />As for the weight lifting crowd doing cardio, I was influenced by this article by Eric Cressey. He seems like a pretty smart guy to me. http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_repair/cardio_confusion <br /><br />Thanks for your thoughts.<br /><br />CynthiaDrs. Cynthia and Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16081685734249334402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6715049094354778809.post-90323087184570434282009-09-02T01:00:31.574+01:002009-09-02T01:00:31.574+01:00We suggest that Primal living did indeed involve l...We suggest that Primal living did indeed involve lots of low level aerobic activity of all types - for several hours a day. For that reason, the Primal Blueprint suggests you "move around a lot at a slow pace", along with brief periods of sprinting and occasionally "lifting heavy things" every few days. These together will leave you fit enough to be able to run a 5 or 10K or do a mid-length triathlon without hammering your joints. But you will also be able to dance,play soccer, volleyball, frisbee, golf or whatever else you want without incurring injury because you trained at one thing so repetitively. My concern isn't so much general cardio as repetetive cardio at a heart rate that requires significant glucose/glycogen throughput and fosters systemic inflammation. A large number of gym-goers unfortunately fall into that category.Mark Sissonhttp://marksdailyapple.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6715049094354778809.post-22625716373439817722009-09-01T19:52:53.298+01:002009-09-01T19:52:53.298+01:00Hi Cynthia - thanks for your reply.
To be fair t...Hi Cynthia - thanks for your reply. <br /><br />To be fair to Mark, he does make clear what he means by chronic cardio in his book (and maybe in the blog, too), describing it as being regular and long periods of exercise where the heart rate is elevate above 55-75% of the max for your age. But I agree there might be a problem with people hearing what they want to hear and using this as a justification for eschewing all forms of cardio.<br /><br />I, too, have heard the advice to athletes to do long, easy workouts so I can see there is resonnance there. I think where there may be a disconnect between what's best and what's advised is in the recommendations around shorter periods of training - for example what some people call 'tempo' runs. This is where I suspect Mark would argue that running 5 miles with your heart rate up at 90% max is not the healthiest way to achieve a given level of fitness and would recommend sprints instead.<br /><br />I also wanted to pick up on the 'hardcore weightlifters' point. Having moved in those circles I can tell you that in many cases the motivation behind the easy cardio is less to do with endurance or fitness aspirations and more to do with a belief that this is the best way to lose fat whilst preserving muscle.<br /><br />Great discussion. I will ping Mark to see if he has time to chime in and confirm (or refute) my representation of his position.Methuselahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09134860337125242027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6715049094354778809.post-69516626975986976912009-09-01T18:35:14.036+01:002009-09-01T18:35:14.036+01:00Excellent post and awesome resources! Thanks!Excellent post and awesome resources! Thanks!Yummyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10298096108155537433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6715049094354778809.post-15141951762677326542009-09-01T10:06:59.446+01:002009-09-01T10:06:59.446+01:00Thanks for addressing my comment. A careful readi...Thanks for addressing my comment. A careful reading of what Mark Sisson has written about "chronic cardio," and what many other health bloggers say as well, I think leaves people with mixed and confusing messages. He explains that he was high carb fueled and training very hard and that this was unhealthy for him, yet when he exercised at lower intensity for long periods (what I would consider chronic cardio since it is still elevated heart rate, but certainly not sprinting/maximal effort) when helping clients get in shape, he found his health and strength recovering. Maybe readers are confusing cardio with overtraining or something of that sort. Most recommendations I've seen for athletes is to do most of their training at easy effort (aerobic or "cardio" again). It produces the best endurance adaptations (mitochondria, capillary growth etc) for the least stress. Even hard core weight lifters know this and do some easy jogging etc as part of their workouts. I've read that pure aerobic endurance training can get even 800m guys most of the way toward their race condition. <br /><br />Anyway, the reason I think there is a schism is because of the comments I've read numerous times on blogs such as this about people at the gym doing chronic cardio on a treadmill etc and how miserable and stupid this is. I agree that for some people such exercise might be miserable (boring at least, I'm not sure I could do it either), but I think their views are just an excuse to ignore their cardiovascular unfitness and concentrate on weights or sprints which are more fun. Maybe it doesn't matter, and all that is really important is that we get people out there doing something, anything, to regain strength and fitness, and once they've got the habit and confidence, they will explore other possibilities.<br /><br />Thanks for listening.<br /><br />CynthiaDrs. Cynthia and Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16081685734249334402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6715049094354778809.post-43426554405964373022009-08-31T18:10:02.433+01:002009-08-31T18:10:02.433+01:00Thanks Marc - I hope your friends and family are s...Thanks Marc - I hope your friends and family are suitably convinced...Methuselahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09134860337125242027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6715049094354778809.post-78140287546836320842009-08-31T14:57:25.174+01:002009-08-31T14:57:25.174+01:00You keep putting up these wonderful posts!
I refer...You keep putting up these wonderful posts!<br />I refer many "interested friends and family" to your blog.<br />To off set somewhat their disbelief and ridicule of me ;-)<br /><br />Really enjoy your blog!<br />Cheers,<br />MarcMarchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11282762521120556778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6715049094354778809.post-26434641544943116982009-08-30T07:55:08.906+01:002009-08-30T07:55:08.906+01:00Dieta Efectiva - thanks. Good to have a Spanish re...Dieta Efectiva - thanks. Good to have a Spanish resource listed here - I sometimes get people asking whether I know of resources in other languages, since at the moment most of the material is in English, as I am sure you know.<br /><br />Drs. Cynthia and David - thanks for your thoughts - I think we are actually on the same page about cardio, as I agree with your point about there having been a greater degree of variety in our ancestors' cardiovascular activities. The Nutshell Part 2 video, as with Part 1, sacrificed some of the subtleties in favour of simplicity. (In part 1 I did not address that fact that yes, some culture-specific adaptations have taken place to some foods.)<br /><br />My central point is that what Mark Sisson calls 'chronic cardio' is bad, rather than that any cardio that's not very low level is bad. <br /><br />Since reading the Primal Blueprint I have realised that occasional long, hard, cardio sessions can actually have excellent fitness benefits and that the damage only comes when working out like that becomes routine.<br /><br />Would be great if you could let me know which parts of the post (or other resources) hinted at unqualified cardio-phobia, as it would be good to straighten that out for future readers!Methuselahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09134860337125242027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6715049094354778809.post-87014642486251198222009-08-30T01:14:55.712+01:002009-08-30T01:14:55.712+01:00Hello,
I have been reading your blog for a long ...Hello, <br /><br />I have been reading your blog for a long time, but I think this is my first comment.<br /><br />I like your honest approach specially when you simply eat too much or drink too much...I'm still laughing about your 6 Day Junk Food Rampage.<br /><br />I have my own blog in Spanish and use the Spanish version of your Primal Video to explain a few things. We are missing a lot of information in Spanish, and the best books on the subject (Good Calories Bad Calories being my favourite) are not translated...Anyway I'm trying to let more and more people know about the benefits of teh low carb and primal approach...Dieta Efectivahttp://dietaefectiva.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6715049094354778809.post-4036061021550129702009-08-30T01:09:23.420+01:002009-08-30T01:09:23.420+01:00Thanks for the nice intro. I agree with most of w...Thanks for the nice intro. I agree with most of what you describe here. The Paleo approach makes so much sense that people who are clueless about low carb diets suddenly "get it" when you explain it this way. It even makes some sense to vegetarians and vegans, though some of them probably still believe we should eat only leaves like gorillas. I think it also provides a good choice of carbs when you want to eat them (tubers and fruits usually).<br /><br />However I think the schism between exercise styles- "cardio" bad, "high intensity" good- is silly. I think that most people in our modern lives are so sedentary that low level cardio is way more difficult than it would have been if people had actually grown up living a primal lifestyle, but that doesn't mean it was't primal or that we shouldn't do it. What about when someone got hurt or sick and the herb necessary to help heal the person is down by the river, now 10 miles away? What about persistence hunting, and then getting all that meat back to the group? What about when there is danger and the entire group had to move far away in a hurry? Do you think the only dangers they faced were the occasional stupid predator, who once foiled would forget about them and go away? What about when a rival tribe stole supplies or kidnapped individuals? Did they say "running is unhealthy, I should only sprint for short intervals"? <br /><br />No, I suspect primal living involved quite a bit of "cardio" of all levels of intensity, just as a part of normal life and play. It's just that we modern humans are so out of shape and sedentary that an hour or more of consistent exercise seems unreasonably hard and therefore must be unnatural. I don't think the primal lifestyle involves waste of effort either, but these people would have been accustomed to long periods of walking and easy loping or even hard running and climbing on occasion. You would need to be able to sometimes if you wanted to survive. Lots of easy aerobic training makes it so that when you do need to exercise at high intensity, you can maintain it longer because of the strong aerobic base.<br /><br />Most of your readers probably know by now too that you don't have to fuel exercise of any type with a high carb diet either. I'm just starting to get in decent shape and can say that running an easy 10 miles is just that- easy. It doesn't have to be exhausting, and it doesn't have to result in pigging out on doughnuts as a "reward." And it certainly doesn't make me get sick.<br /><br />If people truly have no time, then maybe they can maintain muscle mass and improve insulin sensitivity by doing shorter more intense exercise, but it is not correct IMO to lead them away from incorporating aerobic exercise into their everyday lives if they are so inclined. My guess is the more exercise of various types and intensities the better for optimal health.<br /><br />CynthiaDrs. Cynthia and Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16081685734249334402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6715049094354778809.post-69237739640372059352009-08-29T05:20:57.168+01:002009-08-29T05:20:57.168+01:00I read your blog, and have my own new website (und...I read your blog, and have my own new website (under construction) where I deal with obesity and bariatric surgery: http://www.bmi-india.com.<br />I am largely paleo, though I choose to have a one or two high carb days in a week (though they hardly ever exceed 200-300 grams on those days). My workouts are absolutely hard core style, though I am nowhere near as strong as I would like to be.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6715049094354778809.post-47507545893074180272009-08-28T18:47:52.206+01:002009-08-28T18:47:52.206+01:00Hi Beastie Girl - I sympathise. Mrs M has a simila...Hi Beastie Girl - I sympathise. Mrs M has a similar battle with her own folks, although in this case it is not language that is the problem - just years of indoctrination by 'the system.'<br /><br />I don't know of any Dutch resources myself, but will drop an email to the guy who did the Dutch translations for me and ask whether he knows of any. I'll post a response in these comments.Methuselahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09134860337125242027noreply@blogger.com