tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6715049094354778809.post4425115841807720340..comments2023-06-04T16:25:16.708+01:00Comments on Pay Now Live Later: Exercise WILL Make you Thin - if You Really Want it toMethuselahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09134860337125242027noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6715049094354778809.post-45276168788999837772009-11-16T13:31:32.815+00:002009-11-16T13:31:32.815+00:00I agree, the surest way to make us thin is through...I agree, the surest way to make us thin is through exercise and diet.Primary Work at Homehttp://www.davidstirzaker.co.uk/new-video-for-primary-work-at-home/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6715049094354778809.post-21757634740166498792009-10-15T20:22:07.033+01:002009-10-15T20:22:07.033+01:00Cynthia - I think consciousness is the key here. ...Cynthia - I think consciousness is the key here. You mentioned that you moderated your eating because you were conscious of ('recognized') needing fewer calories. It seems like a lot of the time it is assumed that people are not conscious of the effects of exercise on their diet. Yet if you know to resist the effects of exercise on your appetite, the effect is in turn diminished or at least your susceptibility to it is.Methuselahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09134860337125242027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6715049094354778809.post-64481142210613835582009-10-15T11:35:57.867+01:002009-10-15T11:35:57.867+01:00I think you're right that motivation and attit...I think you're right that motivation and attitude is also key- it helps establish the habits that make or break the weight loss effort. One time when I was successfully losing weight, whenever I would get hungry, I'd try on clothes to see which ones fit again, and the hunger would vanish. Of course that doesn't work so well when you're discouraged with your progress.<br /><br />When upping the mileage a couple months ago (>50 miles/week), I found I literally could not eat enough to keep my weight constant, even though I was eating extra, and some carbs too. But most caloric expenditure can easily be kept up with by eating just a little extra, and then any habitual eating at that level that isn't balanced by exercise will start putting the pounds back on. In my case, the weight loss halted when the mileage came back down to customary levels (an injury wouldn't let me keep it up), and luckily it didn't reverse (much), mostly because I recognized that I had to stop the extra feeding. <br /><br />CynthiaDrs. Cynthia and Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16081685734249334402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6715049094354778809.post-56439697542550389282009-10-14T06:59:57.704+01:002009-10-14T06:59:57.704+01:00Hi Dave,
I agree there is much of a difference be...Hi Dave,<br /><br />I agree there is much of a difference between calorie reduction and exercise increase when the composition of the diet remains the same - I feel it amounts to the same thing. I think where the willpower comes in is in overpowering homeostatic forces until they reset. I am not an expert by any means on the hormonal forces affecting how our body stores fat and regulates appetite, but I do know that I existed comfortably at 11% fat for a few years, before existing comfortably at 17% fat for a few years. In between the two was a sustained period of calorie deficit, during which I was permanently hungry. I was then determined not to regain the fat once I had lost it, so my hunger continued once I was 11%, but gradually subsided, allowing me to then rest at that level and eat according to my hunger.Methuselahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09134860337125242027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6715049094354778809.post-84556565146209222162009-10-13T08:47:48.449+01:002009-10-13T08:47:48.449+01:00I agree that people can lose weight simply through...I agree that people can lose weight simply through increase in exercise while holding food-intake stable, but isn't this essentially just based on the fact that if you (by force of willpower, overpowering their biologic drive to homeostasis) create a net calorie deficit then you will lose weight? In this sense the more exercise route to caloric deficiency doesn't sound much more hopeful than the forced starvation to caloric deficiency. <br /><br />That said my personal view has always been that more exercise is almost certainly positive*. I never understood the conclusion from Taubes that insulin is what counts, therefore exercise doesn't matter. Continuously glycogen-depleting the muscles seems a massive boon to weight loss: esp since relative insulin sensitivity of fat/muscle is so important.<br /><br />I must confess I also always thought that exercise reduced appetite (which seemed true to my experience) as per this study http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/12/081211081446.htm but I've never looked into it properly. Both sides have some intuitive backing: on the one hand you'd expect the body to demand enough calories to meet its needs, but exercise does force energy out of storage and into the bloodstream. Perhaps suitably intense exercise if you're leptin responsive and have adequate fat stores alleviates appetite, but in a leptin-resistant or starved state it leads to increase in demand for calories?David Mosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08508780038542342811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6715049094354778809.post-12759926041508467552009-10-11T16:53:42.510+01:002009-10-11T16:53:42.510+01:00madMuhhh - yes, it does seem like the amount of wi...madMuhhh - yes, it does seem like the amount of willpower required is in proportion with the correctness of the diet.<br /><br />Asclepius - good points, with which I agree. Losing weight with the wrong diet or the wrong kind of exercise does diminish the quality of your body composition. And it makes it harder, so more willpower is required. But if you are already eating a strict paleo diet and have reached equilibrium at good body composition, but you want to become leaner, there is nowhere to go with your diet except by eating less. Assuming you are already exercising to some extent, this amounts to exercising more. Alternatively you could carry on eating the same amount but exercise more (in a paleo-friendly way, such as long vigorous walks.)<br /><br />Either way, you could argue that the exercise is stimulating the appetite and that you must use willpower to resist the temptation to eat more. In this scenario in fact it seems like it's all about the exercise and less about diet...just thinking out loud - what do you think?<br /><br />Kat - you're right about how people appear unable to lose weight despite apparently doing the right things. I have seen my training partner be successful at some times and not at others - it's all about his state of mind at the time.<br /><br />Paleo Garden - good thoughts. I think the best thing for beginners is to start small with the diet and the exercise at the same time. Then they slowly build up a complete picture as they go along...Methuselahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09134860337125242027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6715049094354778809.post-35927083871125431932009-10-10T15:11:38.701+01:002009-10-10T15:11:38.701+01:00I think you bring up some interesting things to th...I think you bring up some interesting things to think about here. I think that the optimal is eating paleo with good random workout routines. Perhaps, the question you raise can also be looked at regarding whether for some people trying to take on both, which is better for them to try first if baby steps are needed. Eat paleo first? Or work out first, then after feeling good effects of physical activity trying to eat paleo? I think for some people who are inexperienced in both healthy eating and working out trying to do both for the first time can be intimidating.Paleo Gardenhttp://thepaleogarden.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6715049094354778809.post-45151804877836483152009-10-10T04:50:44.431+01:002009-10-10T04:50:44.431+01:00"I believe that if someone really wants to lo..."I believe that if someone really wants to lose weight with exercise, then they will, regardless of the type of exercise they are doing or food they are eating."<br /><br />I think you've hit the nail on the head with this line. While the type of exercise (weight-based circuits are best IMO) and the food quality (definitely NOT the high-carb rollercoaster!) play a huge part in weight loss, it really does seem in large part to come back to the beliefs and determination of the person.<br /><br />I've seen people eat rubbish some of the time and still lose weight because they absolutely believed they could and would. And I've seen plenty of others do 'all the right things' and get nowhere. Funnily enough, these are the people who - when questioned - admit that they don't really think it's possible. <br /><br />Of course exercise can assist in weight loss. It's certainly not the be-all end-all, and there are most definitely many additional factors which must be paid due attention, but using a broad statement such as "it increases appetite" to claim it doesn't work is somewhat ridiculous.Kat Edenhttp://www.bodyincredible.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6715049094354778809.post-91143173027965869512009-10-09T13:11:51.401+01:002009-10-09T13:11:51.401+01:00"Perhaps people with willpower and self-disci..."Perhaps people with willpower and self-discipline can lose weight through exercise."<br /><br />I think they can - but for the reasons that i) exercise can upregulate insulin sensitivity ii) willpower can make you push on with a diet & exercise regime, even in a state of 'semi starvation'.<br /><br />It would be nice to see the 'bodpod' stats and 'bloods' of those that embark on weight loss "regardless of the type of exercise they are doing or food they are eating". Are they losing fat or muscle and bone as well? The other thing is how sustainable this 'regardless' approach is?<br /><br />Far from 'over-eating' or being 'under-active', the obese are in a 'perfect balance' at a cellular level because the cells are making the person eat at a level where the energy requirements at the cellular level are being satisfied.<br /><br />If you don't address nutrition at a cellular level then even if you lose weight, you are not addressing the underlying problem and you will always be fighting the gain!Asclepiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14604117979253596512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6715049094354778809.post-3832069484841870232009-10-09T09:42:09.634+01:002009-10-09T09:42:09.634+01:00Total agreement here. Before going paleo, I tried ...Total agreement here. Before going paleo, I tried to lose just half a kilo or so and while I made some progress it was really hard and very much a matter of willpower. As soon as I started eating paleo, I lost that weight without even trying.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com